ARDERNE, John, Sir

  Research Notes:

Several surnames listed: Ardene, also d'Ardenne - I believe there might be more as well.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Arderne-46

Although noting someone brought up maybe a potential confusion about Johns (but it could refer to the sons).
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Biography

John d'Arderne was the son John d'Arderne and Margery verch Gruffudd.

John d'Arderne was married 3 times:

Alice, daughter of Sir Hugh Venables, of Kinderton, contracted wife in 1 Ed. II, 1307-8, as by the settlements of Alvanley. Alice and John had children:
John Arderne, eldest son and heir apparent by this marriage, was unavoidably, though inaccurately, transferred by Vincent to the third wife, as the second was childless, and this first was unknown to him. This John was born before 4 Ed. Ill, 1330,1 as his father then occurs as John Arderne, Senior, in a fine along with his second wife Joan, daughter of Sir Richard de Stokeport, previously wife of Sir Nicolas de Eton, and his widow in 1327.2 In an entail of N. Alderley, he occurs as " Johannes filius Johannis de Arderne Militis," followed by his younger brother " Petrus frater predicti Johannis filii Johannis."3 In 1332 he occurs again in divorce proceedings with reference to his contracted marriage with Cicely de Eton, daughter of his stepmother Joan before mentioned, both being under marriageable years, but both old enough to be described as protesting against it.4 The words of the fine of 4 Ed. Ill, imply the existence of John Arderne, Junior, within the period of Sir John's second marriage ; but he could not be issue by that wife, as in 6 Edward III he was contracted to her daughter by her first husband.
Peter de Arderne, the ancestor of the Alvanley line, cannot be doubted to be the " Peter, brother of John, son of John," in the Alderley settlement cited ; but decisive evidence is given by the Inq. p. m. 23 Ed. Ill before mentioned, finding him son and heir of Sir John expressly, and by his own claim of Alvanley in pleas at Chester, about 28 Ed. Ill, wherein he describes himself as son and heir of John (son of Sir John Arderne) and Alice Venables his wife. As Founder of the distinct Alvanley line, he occurs hereafter.
Margaret Arderne was contracted wife of Nicolas de Eton, son and heir apparent of her father's second wife, in 4 Edw. III. and therefore clearly not the daughter of that lady by Sir John Arderne, both of whom were living, and as clearly not of the third wife. Her Marriage Contract is given by Watson, Warren, ii, 237.
Joan de Stokeport, daughter of Sir Richard, the second wife, was wife of Sir Nicholas de Eton in 1320, and widow in 1326, and mother, by him, of Nicolas and Cecily de Stokeport, which Nicolas and Cecily were severally husband and contracted wife of Margaret and of John de Arderne before mentioned. She was wife of Sir John Arderne (as by fine) in 1330, and from tenor of other fines in which she does not occur, probably deceased in 1332, \emdash in which last year Sir Nicolas de Eton, her son, released lands to Sir John Arderne solely, in which she had previously a joint interest.
Ellena Wastneys, his third wife, was his cousin. They were married before 3 January, 1342, when John de Arden and Ellen his wife were granted a pardon.[1] Recognized as wife of Sir John Arderne in the Alderlegh fine of 20 Edw. Ill, and in 23 Edw. III in the presentation to Aldford, and the following Inquisition p. m., finding Thomas Arderne heir of Aldford by alienation under licence, and Peter Arderne, son and heir of the same Sir John in blood. The invariable description of Thomas, as son of Ellen, wife of Sir John, in all these documents, might prevent any confusion as to illegitimacy protected by settlements, but more decided evidence exists. Thomas Arderne presented to Aldford rectory in his own right Jan. 17, 1349,2 and of course was of age then, and was born in or before 1328, and two years after this date, as shewn by fine of 1330,3 Joan de Stokeporte, the second Lady Arderne, who was not his mother, was living. They were the parents of:
Thomas, born before his parents' marriage; married before 13 August, 1348, to Katherine;[1]
Walkelyn, born before his parents' marriage; remainder man on 13 August, 1348;[1]
Katherine, born after her parents' marriage;
Matilda, born after her parents' marriage;
Isabella, born after her parents' marriage;

On July 1, 1308, 1 Ed. II,2 he was appointed a Commissioner of Array for the county of Chester, with Hugh Venables, and had the leading of the levies against Bruce as far as Carlisle. In the same year he made a settlement of the manors of Aldford, Elford, and Alderley, in contracting for marriage of his eldest son and heir apparent, John, with Alice, daughter of this Hugh, Baron of Kinderton, covenanting to endow her with Alvanley. This manor was granted by him to them ; and in 1 Ed. II, Sir Hugh Venables, guardian of John, his son and heir, and Alice, wife of that John, constituted his brother William his attorney for taking seisin of Alvanley.

JOHN ARDERNE, afterwards knighted, and son and heir of Sir John and Margaret, was a minor in, 1317, 2 Ed. II, when Prince Edward presented to Aldford Church, as in his right, and he is named as Lord of Elford in the returns of 9 Ed. II. In 1324, 17 Ed. II, he was one of the knights summoned from Staffordshire to attend the Great Council at Westminster, and in the following year was a Commissioner of Array for Cheshire. In 1327 he presented to Mobberly, in right of his ward, Ralph de Modburlegh, a military tenant of Aldford; and as Lord of Aldford, granted that ward's marriage, in 1329, to John de Pulford.

By Inq. p.m., Dec. 23, 23 Ed. Ill, 1349,3 it was found that John de Arden, Chev., and Ellen his wife, held no lands in the Counties of Chester or Flint at their deaths, except for life, by fine levied in Cheshire : that after their deaths, all their lands therein reverted to Thomas, son of said Ellen, and heirs male of his body, as by said fine ; and that Peter de Arden, son of John aforesaid, is his next heir in blood, and aged upwards of twenty-four years. An endorsement before the Justiciary orders the Eschaetor to remove his hands from the lands, as Thomas was "purchasour" (acquirer) by licence. • In fines relating to N. Alderley, 20 Ed. Ill, and Aldford, 23 Ed. Ill, the same description is used as to Sir John Arderne, Ellen his wife, and Thomas and Walkelyn, sons of Ellen.

He held manors of Stockport, Poynton and Woodford; Knight of the Shire of Stafford.
1348 License to John de Ardern and His Wife, Ellen, to Enfeoff their Son, Thomas, and His Wife, Katherine

On 13 August, 1348, license was granted to John de Ardern, Kt, and Ellen, his wife, to enfeoff Thomas their son and Katherine, his wife, of the manor of Alderdelegh in fee-tail male, with remainder in fee-tail male to Wachinus brother of the same Thomas, and ultimate reversion to the said John and Ellen, and the heirs of their bodies, and failing them, with remainder to the right heirs of the said John.[1]
Inquisition of John de Ardene, Kt, died 1408

An Inquisition regarding John de Ardene, Kt, was taken on Thursday next before the feast of St Margaret the Virgin, 9 Henry IV [19 July,1408], at Chester, found that Robert de Hampton, parson of the church of Alderlegh and John, son of Roger de Motlowe, were seised, in their demesne as of fee, of the manors of Aldeford, Alderdelegh, and Echeles, and of the advowsons of the churches of Aldeford and Alderdelegh, together with an annual rent of ten marks issuing out of the manor of Upton in Wyrehale, and gave the same for life to John de Ardene and Ellen his wife, with successive remainders in fee-tail male to Thomas and Wacelin, sons of the said Ellen, and, failing them, to the heirs male of John de Ardene and Ellen, and them, failing, to the right heirs of the said John and Ellen; that the said John and Ellen had issue two daughters, Matilda and Isabel; that Wacelin died without heirs male; that the said Thomas had issue John de Ardene, Kt., who entered upon the said estate and died without issue male; that Robert son of Robert de Legh, married the said Matilda, and had issue Robert de Legh, Kt, then living; that the said Matilda died; that Hugh de Wrottesly, Kt, married the said Isabel and had issue one John, who had issue Hugh, then living; that the said Hugh and Isabel died; that the said John their son died; that after the decease of the said John son of Thomas, the estate remained to the said Robert de Legh, Kt, as son and heir of the said Matilda daughter, and one of the heirs of the said John and Ellen, and to Hugh son and heir of the said John son of Hugh and heir of the said Isabel, other daughter and heir of the said John and Ellen; that the manor of Echeles was held of Lord Lestraunge as of his manor of Dunham Mascy, by knight's service, and was of the yearly value of 50l; that the manor of Aldeford was held of the Earl of Chester in capite by knight's service and was of the yearly value of 40l; that the manor of Alderdelegh was held of the said Earl in capite by knight's service, and was of the yearly value of 10l; that the manor of Upton was held of the said Earl in capite by knight's service; that the said John died on Monday next before the feast of the Apostles Peter and Paul "last" past [25 June, 1408]; and that the said Robert de Legh was of the age of 40, and the said Hugh of the age of 8 years.[2]
The Prince of Wales Vs Margaret, Widow of John son of Thomas de Ardene

In 10 Henry IV [30 September, 1408-29 September, 1409] at Chester, the prince of Wales, as earl of Chester, versus Margaret formerly wife of John, son of Thomas de Ardene, in a suit for the right to the manors of Aldford, Alderdelegh and Echeles, the advowsons of the churches of Aldford and Alderdelegh, and a rent of ten marks from the manor of Upton in Wyrehale. The pleadings show the following descent:[3]

John de Ardene, seised of the manors, advowsons and rent, in the reign of Edward III [1327-1377], married Elena, and had two sons and two daughters:

Thomas, who had:
John de Ardene, living 8 Henry IV [30 September, 1406-29 September, 1407], but dead by 10 Henry IV, married Margaret, the plaintiff;
Walkeline, who died with no surviving children;
Matilda, who was married to Robert, son of Robert de Legh, and had:
Robert de Legh, Kt, living 10 Henry IV;
Isabella, who was married to Hugh de Wrotteslegh, and they had:
John de Wrotteslegh, who had:
Hugh de Wrotteslegh, living in 10 Henry IV.

The pleadings also state that Thomas and Walkeline were illegitimate, being styled sons of Elena only\emdash and that John de Ardene, the husband of Elena, had left no male heir of his body. Margaret claimed under a settlement made by her husband in 8 Henry IV [30 September 1406-29 September 1407], a licence of alienation having been obtained from the prince of Wales, as earl of Chester, and a verdict was given in her favour. Under a previous settlement of 21 Edward III [25 January, 1347-24 January, 1348], also made with the licence of the prince of Wales, as earl of Chester, the same properties had been settled on John de Ardene and Elena, his wife, for their lives, with remainder to Thomas, son of Elena, and their heirs male of his body, with remainder to Walcheline, brother of Thomas, and the heirs male of his body, and failing such, to the heirs of the bodies of John and Elena. Under the first settlement, the Arderne estates would have been divided between Robert de Legh and Hugh de Wrottesley.[3]
Sources

? 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 Peter Turner, comp, "Appendix II: No 1. Welsh Records: Calendar of Recognizance Rolls of the Palatinate of Chester, to the End of the Reign of Henry IV", The Thirty-Sixth Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records [13 February 1875], (London: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1875), 6, e-book Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/annualreportdep02offigoog/page/6/mode/1up : accessed 9 July, 2022).
? Peter Turner, comp, "Appendix 6. Welsh Records. Calendar of Deeds, Inquisitions, and Writs of Dower, Enrolled on the Plea Rolls of the County of Chester.\emdash Ric. 2 to Hen. 7.", The Twenty-Ninth Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records [25 February 1868], (London: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1868), 66, e-Book HathiTrust (https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015039450518?urlappend=%3Bseq=264%3Bownerid=34524648-263 : accessed 6 July, 2022). [10 Hen. 4. m. 9.]
? 3.0 3.1 Major-General The Hon G Wrottesley, ed, Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls Collected from the Pleadings in the Various Courts of Law AD 1200 to 1500 from the Original Rolls (1905), 256. e-book Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/pedigreesfromple00wrotrich/page/256/mode/1up : accessed 11 June, 2022. [Chester Pleas: 10. Hen. 4. m. 9].

See also:

http://www.archive.org/stream/miscellaneapalat00orme#page/n190/mode/1up
http://www.archive.org/stream/miscellaneapalat00orme#page/n192/mode/1up
http://www.archive.org/stream/miscellaneapalat00orme#page/n196/mode/1up
http://www.archive.org/stream/historyoffamilyo00wrot#page/142/mode/1up
Ormerod, George. Parentalia: Genealogical Memoirs. [London]: Thomas Richards, 1851. p. 85

John married Ellen VENABLES. (Ellen VENABLES was born about 1299 in Alvanley, Cheshire, England and died after 1335 in Aldford, Cheshire, England.)

John next married Joan STOKEPORT in 1330. (Joan STOKEPORT was born about 1290 in Stockport, Cheshire, England and died in 1332 in Macclesfield, Cheshire, England.)

John next married Ellen WASTENEYS before 3 Jan 1342 in Cheshire, England. (Ellen WASTENEYS was born about 1326 in Alvanley, Cheshire, England and died on 23 Dec 1349 in Aldford, Cheshire, England.)